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greetings from the third dimension

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you're listening to the paranormal UK

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radio network the biggest UK paranormal

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Network I'm David Young and this is

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paranormal dimensions

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hello welcome under thank you for tuning

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in I love the guest for you today

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Adelle Cassell's Rocha she's got a new

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book out and it's called portals and

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it's gonna be fascinating because well I

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haven't got been able to get this book

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yet and I shall explain so they all

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myself in a minute

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but it looks a fascinating book and I

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can't actually wait to get a hold of it

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so what I'll do I'll waste no more time

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I'll introduce you to Bill David yeah

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it's good morning to you and good

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afternoon here actually the sun shining

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a bit now it was it was really pouring

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the rain a little while ago but so it's

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actually quite nice now so I hope it's

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nice where you are

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well actually it was raining a few

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minutes ago and now it's tapered off a

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little bit so this is a perfect setting

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for what we're about to talk about

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absolutely I know and I'm actually

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intrigued I can't wait to talk about it

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it's set to these sounds a fascinating

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book I don't know shall I just let you

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start the show would you always to ask

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your questions okay first book and as

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you mentioned it's entitled portal it's

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a lifetime of paranormal experiences and

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I need to qualify first off that when I

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say paranormal I actually mean the

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entire panoply of things that people

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have witnessed or experienced that are

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out of the ordinary

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yeah yeah yeah and and this book talks

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about anything from in the opening pages

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you will see something that is similar

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to a Mothman creature although a lot of

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people have indicated that it was a

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demon the people who actually have

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experienced it directly think that it is

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a malevolent entity and basically a

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demon it was experienced through

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generations of a family in particular

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that I've gotten to know very well and

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so it goes from that to witnessing elves

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to humanoids to cryptids all the way to

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the end of the book where there was a

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shado being that was witnessed by an

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elderly woman who lives alone so we even

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have an incident an eyewitness report of

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a Bigfoot from you know I'm a

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middle-aged lady and and if you notice a

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lot of the things when you do read this

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book our events that happen because

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people are either alone or in a remote

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area in some cases it's in the middle of

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a village or a large town so the book

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offers you everything whatever you're

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interested in if it is bizarre it is

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unusual it is also very terrifying some

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of these sightings are you know pretty

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benign you know it could just be a light

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but I don't have too many of that but

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most of them are terrifying yeah I know

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the the Bigfoots are often the very

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interesting actually really sometimes

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you don't really know what to believe

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with something a lot of it because you

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don't know if it's like interdimensional

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things or some people connected to UFOs

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and I really don't know but well there

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must be something in it that's all I can

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say yeah and I have to tell you David

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that it's interesting that you bring

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that up because there are a few theories

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surrounding Bigfoot I know they have a

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conference right now which suddenly I

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cannot attend it is about four hours

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Pennsylvania but on the other end of

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Pennsylvania towards Pittsburgh where

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they're having major it's it's a camping

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it's a campground that they're using and

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they're in the midst of a forest you

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know talking about Bigfoot and bringing

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in guest speakers but there's two camps

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on Bigfoot there's people who believe

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that Bigfoot is a multi-dimensional

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being some of the reports is you know

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sighting of the Bigfoot

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it's incredibly elusive so that you only

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have a few photos and and they're hard

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to verify I think the name escapes me

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but it's the to name sighting to

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gentleman now I'm having the

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and your ISM like you did ago I can't

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read it was two gentlemen that actually

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took a wonderful photograph of something

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that was walking away and if you look at

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it it looks like a gorilla hmm you know

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and and it looks flesh-and-blood to me

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to you and I some people however believe

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that it's multi-dimensional because it

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it just simply disappears it's one

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minute it's there and the next minute

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it's not some people believe it's the

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missing link and that it is somehow

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malevolent in that there were cases

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where people were hurt so you know I do

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have one case in the book and if you'd

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like me to tell you briefly absolutely

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it's it's a rather riveting story and it

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came across my way because I had a

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friend who lived in central Pennsylvania

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which is where this woman is located so

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she had given me her number and the

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woman was very reluctant to share what

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is actually happening to her and you

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reporting it to the people who do the

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Bigfoot investigations so I talked to

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her on the phone she described to me

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exactly what happened and apparently

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this is what happened so just to give

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you a little bit of background of where

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she is the house is a simple what you

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would call a rancher that's a one floor

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to the home she lives alone and in a lot

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alone she was simply going about a

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normal day and across from her house

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about maybe 50 feet is a road and then

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the neighbor across the street is an old

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farm it was a farmer and his wife

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they're elderly they were probably I

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would say in their late 70s to 80s and

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and the farm has livestock and it has

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horses and at the time when this

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actually they only had horses from my

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understanding from her be beyond the

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which is several yards from the actual

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farmhouse where the elderly couple lives

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is a state game lands area and when I

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the audience it means that there's a

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hunter's there during hunting season

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hunting all kinds of different games

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forest that's undeveloped one side is a

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game lands and then behind the woman

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force so they're pretty isolated it's

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Pennsylvania I should say tends to have

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a lot of undeveloped land when you go

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but other types of sightings in this

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case she apparently wanted to go out and

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shop she went and shopped and then later

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on in the day she had a coconut husk

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husk so people who live alone in that

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hatchets or axes and in this case she

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had an axe hmm

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so she came out to the backyard which is

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this coconut husk so as she was going on

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to her right across the street she saw

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something running and it was bipedal it

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was running on two feet and it was

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coming from the direction of the stables

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and into the forest so the first thing

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that came to her mind is that it was a

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bear hmm I guess you and I would think

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the same thing not really knowing of

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anything that large had she ever give

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that given a thought so before that

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just frost upon her soothing she she'd

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never come across one she actually

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didn't even know oh yeah she's not the

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supermarket she basically is a housewife

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with two grown children and they both

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diseased usually Weise things happen

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isn't it that's a thrust upon you as a

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surprise so she was a little shaken but

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you know what happened was she did not

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know what it was she left what she had

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out there she dashed into the house

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because she did not want the creature to

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come back and locked the door she had a

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back door so she secured the door and

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then later on came out again and finally

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got the coconut she proceeded to do her

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chores she made a some kind of a pudding

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that she liked and so on and so forth

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and figured she would set apart a part

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of it for the elderly couple across the

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street because basically it's just the

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three of them for miles and miles so

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what that happened is that evening she

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was popping popcorn she had no idea you

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know what was going on but she heard

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tapping she the popcorn was tapping

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against the microwave mm-hmm and as the

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popcorn was popping you know she was

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going on watching the television and

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then suddenly the popping stopped but

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there was a rapping against the wall of

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her house by the kitchen hmm so now

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you're in the countryside you're alone

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okay most of the time people know each

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other because it's really just a very

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small population you know like in a

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village you would know each other so she

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wondered who it was that was rapping on

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her back door most people knock on the

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front door so she walked over she

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listened in and she was looking and

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looking through the curtain

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of the back door and you know she

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couldn't see anything okay so she came

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out finally just out of curiosity she

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opens the door and she had no lights

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back there so David you're in the

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countryside you're in the middle of

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nowhere basically only your front door

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has a light your back has nothing so

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it's pitch dark mmm out of here the only

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thing you have is the light from your

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kitchen which is now shining on the

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grass this was sometime I think in the

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summertime and you know with with the

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axe you know a few meters away from you

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and she senses a presence standing by

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the side of the house which is only a

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few feet from where she's standing so of

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course now she's terrified she slams the

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sometimes in the movies they'll have

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them coming out like what why are you

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coming out yeah you know there's

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somebody standing there and and they're

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not friendly they're not saying hello

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how are you

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it it she'll see she dashes back in so

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as the story goes the next morning she's

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all totally creeped out she decides in

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the light of day to cross over across

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the street and knock on the front door

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and offer them part of the pudding that

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she had made and she then proceeds to

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tell the farmer who walks over to her

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house that somebody had been knocking on

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her backdoor she had no idea who it was

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but she didn't go out to investigate and

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the gentleman was looking around looking

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around and you know they had a

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discussion about what she had seen right

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by his stables and he said to her did

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you happen to see how it moved

283
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and she said yes it was running back to

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the woods

285
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it was a huge bear and he said bears

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don't run my dear

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you know they amble hmm to the woods and

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on all fours they don't run

289
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well this one was running on two feet so

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this is what she had witnessed and and

291
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that's when he told her in fact what he

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apparently had seen before having lived

293
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there much longer than she has that it

294
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was a Bigfoot

295
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mm-hmm yes I would when a bear runs he

296
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does go down it's four feet doesn't mean

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stop running along like a falling animal

298
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yeah so it was very jarring for her and

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I mean ultimately from what I understand

300
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eventually she moved into town no

301
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surprise here no no no he come because

302
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as I say where I live here in the UK

303
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it's actually we haven't got any

304
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neighbors and it's empty at the front

305
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and it's you at the back I don't know

306
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it's really dark so I'm expecting

307
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something like that one that I think

308
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it's because there's miles and miles of

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I forget who mentioned this to me you

310
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know because the u.s. is so fast yeah so

311
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you're going to have some land that

312
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probably no one has ever ever entered

313
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you've got national parks and I

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mentioned this on the Friday night show

315
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there were national parks that where

316
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the people go missing isn't there in the

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national parks I think you see somewhere

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around about certainly in the team the

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summer event about 13 14 thousand people

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with missing which is an amazing amount

321
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of pee is crazy it is and you know it a

322
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lot of people will explain it away as oh

323
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maybe they fell they you know

324
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they hurt themselves or ended up you

325
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know falling to their death on the

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canyon yada yada yeah it's probably some

327
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of those yeah there's a gentleman by the

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name of David Politis and he has written

329
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I think about six or seven volumes at

330
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this point accounting all the different

331
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disappearances in forests and well I'll

332
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tell you some of the cases they're not

333
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it's not included in my book because you

334
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will never find me in the national park

335
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if you if you do and I have I have

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camped I usually have about maybe a

337
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hundred people with me and my tent is

338
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usually right smack in the middle of all

339
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these hundreds of people so I'm not

340
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likely to disappear unless of course

341
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something you know beams me up from the

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top of the tent and and whisks me away

343
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yeah you're scared because I've been

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alone myself in some of those national

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parks in the States miles away from

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anyone but I tell you a lot of the cases

347
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on the in the book are not documented

348
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because people are reluctant to actually

349
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report it into it and the documenting

350
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agency and you know there's a lot of

351
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events that came from and and that's how

352
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my book opens or the atrocities that

353
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happen in world war two in an Asian

354
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country where I was actually born and

355
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raised in the Philippines so if I'm a

356
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segue into that being that you're into

357
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hunting yeah I think this is definitely

358
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up your alley well this show covers

359
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everything anything to do with the

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paranormal we know we don't sort of

361
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concentrate on just one subject which I

362
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think makes it all the more fascinating

363
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so different different subjects you know

364
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so yeah please do okay so David you had

365
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mentioned yesterday that you had finally

366
00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:02,700
given up on investigating a Scottish

367
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castle and I tell you that was a

368
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beautiful castle that you showed on

369
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Facebook yeah pictures of income from

370
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,750
that yeah I was going to try and do a

371
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show from it I was trying to explain on

372
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my page and if people want to visit my

373
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page you'll see the pictures and

374
00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:22,269
yeah I was gonna try the Osho but the

375
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sound quality wasn't good I got about 45

376
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:26,769
minutes of reasonable sounds awful I'll

377
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just gave it up and thought well just

378
00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:32,679
put the pictures up and explain why it

379
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was very obvious to me that it was also

380
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a very old what happens in older

381
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countries and I will preface that by

382
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:49,690
saying you know Europe Asia the u.s. is

383
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relatively young at you know 200 years

384
00:19:02,399 --> 00:18:57,360
plus the US has never really witnessed

385
00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:02,409
wide-scale war as much as Europe has and

386
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as much as certain areas was put up in

387
00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:07,960
the Revolutionary War in the coming

388
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civil war coming civil war I mean the

389
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,200
[Laughter]

390
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going back to the history of the

391
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Philippines let me just preface that for

392
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the benefit of the audience so they have

393
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an understanding that this is an Asian

394
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country that is very much in the center

395
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:51,639
of the Pacific Rim and what I mean by

396
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:54,880
that is it is strategically right near

397
00:20:01,740 --> 00:19:59,679
China near Taiwan above Indonesia it so

398
00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:01,750
it's a crossroads country and for that

399
00:20:07,529 --> 00:20:05,529
reason you know when colonization took

400
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place which you well know has happened

401
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,610
you know with people coming out of

402
00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:11,200
Europe and hitting all parts of the

403
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:13,870
globe the Spanish latched onto the

404
00:20:19,289 --> 00:20:17,470
Philippines for 400 years so during that

405
00:20:22,919 --> 00:20:19,299
time of course there were battles there

406
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:22,929
were Wars not as horrible as World War 2

407
00:20:28,529 --> 00:20:25,690
and then at the close of that the

408
00:20:30,659 --> 00:20:28,539
European influence lingered so for

409
00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:30,669
generations and generations you have

410
00:20:35,010 --> 00:20:33,040
last names which is pretty much

411
00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:35,020
like the last name that I have in my

412
00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:37,420
real name and the last name that I had

413
00:20:39,930 --> 00:20:38,380
picked from my book

414
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:39,940
you've got last names that are Spanish

415
00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:43,510
hmm you also have commerce coming from

416
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:46,900
Europe back and forth you know even from

417
00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:48,970
the UK actually I still miss those

418
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,730
so anyway not too boy you had products

419
00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:02,320
from Italy yada yada yada so in comes

420
00:21:08,730 --> 00:21:05,800
World War two and on our end of the

421
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:08,740
world it was an invasion by the Japanese

422
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:10,090
nothing against the current Japanese

423
00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:12,610
they had nothing to do with it but World

424
00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:15,580
War two was a major atrocity for a small

425
00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:18,190
Pacific island that was very much very

426
00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:21,220
trusting of outside influence at the end

427
00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:24,280
of that there were just a lot of people

428
00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:27,670
who were obviously massacred murdered

429
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:30,220
butchered and even the Japanese

430
00:21:36,930 --> 00:21:33,580
themselves of course you know some of

431
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:36,940
the soldiers never made it home so we

432
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,470
have mass graves is what we're dealing

433
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:40,860
with and that's out of those mass graves

434
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:43,930
that are unblessed come the type of

435
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:46,810
hauntings that we have witnessed through

436
00:21:54,030 --> 00:21:51,490
the years and even now so now we're

437
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,040
going to go into a little isolated area

438
00:21:59,810 --> 00:21:56,080
and when I say isolated we're talking

439
00:22:04,220 --> 00:21:59,820
back in the 60s of something that a

440
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:04,230
house that was built on unblessed ground

441
00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:08,320
the people who bought the house and I

442
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:10,270
you know I know the family extensively

443
00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:13,690
did not know that it was an official

444
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:19,300
burial ground for the Japanese so there

445
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:21,850
were actually bodies there that are

446
00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:27,250
probably in there to this day so on top

447
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:30,460
of that they built a brand new home it

448
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:33,370
was a neighborhood that was springing up

449
00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:37,360
literally from the ground so a gentleman

450
00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:42,340
and his wife built a four-bedroom home

451
00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:44,740
top of that hmm actually five if you

452
00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:46,780
count the laboratory in the back the

453
00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:50,710
gentleman was a doctor he was in a mash

454
00:22:59,790 --> 00:22:56,140
unit assisting US forces during the war

455
00:23:02,930 --> 00:22:59,800
against the Japanese his wife was a

456
00:23:05,670 --> 00:23:02,940
dentist who also assisted in some manner

457
00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:05,680
because everybody was hands on deck you

458
00:23:12,030 --> 00:23:07,990
know it was a small country and and the

459
00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:12,040
war was just incredible so at the end of

460
00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:15,190
that Liberation Day they reunited

461
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:17,830
because for a while she ended up going

462
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,090
up into the hinterlands north and if you

463
00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:24,640
look at a map of Luzon this is very very

464
00:23:34,170 --> 00:23:28,840
North going towards a an area called

465
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:34,180
barrio hmm so the story begins that she

466
00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:36,130
had four children at the time as they

467
00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:38,350
were fleeing the Japanese and hiding

468
00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:41,830
they came upon an empty convent that

469
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:45,820
apparently had already been infiltrated

470
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:49,750
by the Japanese the nuns that were there

471
00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:54,160
were murdered in cold blood who knows

472
00:24:00,510 --> 00:23:57,040
what else happened to them but she was

473
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,520
seeking shelter okay this is before the

474
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:02,080
house was built I'm jumping back and

475
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:07,770
forth now because I'm so random with you

476
00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:10,720
but but at the time you know she only

477
00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:13,060
had four out of the six children with

478
00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:14,380
her

479
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:17,320
the oldest one was I think around ten

480
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:21,370
the second one was around 8 or 7 and and

481
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:23,650
the youngest one was I think at the time

482
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:26,490
only 2 years old so she sought shelter

483
00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:29,110
she had been walking hitching rides

484
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:33,300
trying to find a way to escape and

485
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:36,100
meanwhile her husband was somewhere in

486
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:38,410
action because he was a soldier and in

487
00:24:44,490 --> 00:24:41,460
you know a medical doctor he was a medic

488
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:44,500
she enters the convent and the children

489
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:46,810
are looking at the Det churches of war

490
00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:48,580
you know you've got things scattered all

491
00:24:53,490 --> 00:24:51,100
over the place you've got the kitchen

492
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:53,500
turned over the furniture turned over

493
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:55,330
and all they were trying to do with seek

494
00:24:58,980 --> 00:24:56,080
shelter

495
00:25:01,800 --> 00:24:58,990
the second to the oldest who tends to be

496
00:25:04,830 --> 00:25:01,810
very headstrong at apparently strolled

497
00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:04,840
off and wandered off and gone up to the

498
00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:08,830
first floor and found beds up there so

499
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:10,780
instead of staying with her mother and

500
00:25:15,270 --> 00:25:13,210
the other children who sequestered

501
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:15,280
themselves somewhere in an area where

502
00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:17,470
they could all be together

503
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:20,860
she ran alone to the top floor

504
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:23,470
and proceeded to lie down because she

505
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,210
had found some beds I mean these are

506
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:27,760
like sleeping quarters of the the

507
00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:31,510
cloister okay so if you're following me

508
00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:34,840
this is Pope Pope opening huge open

509
00:25:41,130 --> 00:25:38,590
windows open to the night night has

510
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:41,140
already descended when you're in a

511
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:43,930
tropical country and night descends and

512
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,650
you have no screens on your windows what

513
00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:49,600
you were assailed with and everything

514
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:52,360
from bats to mosquitoes to flies to any

515
00:25:57,090 --> 00:25:55,240
kind of an insect so apparently this

516
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:57,100
tribe laid down and she was near a

517
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:02,320
window and sometime in the middle of the

518
00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:07,210
night the child woke up the child woke

519
00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:09,430
up sat up and thought she saw something

520
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:14,980
approaching her in the dark now this is

521
00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:17,890
a room that collectively is four nuns so

522
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:20,020
there's probably about ten beds in the

523
00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:23,620
room all lined up with windows on one

524
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:30,190
side and a door or two the nun was

525
00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:34,720
coming from a door down and working her

526
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:40,390
way towards this girl everything around

527
00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:43,600
her was completely dark except for

528
00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:46,420
whatever light was coming in from the

529
00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:51,160
open windows hmm so you know picture the

530
00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:53,020
ceilings as being high the windows

531
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:55,060
totally open to the night and something

532
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:58,450
some light shining through and here's a

533
00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:02,580
nun in black Babbitt with the face

534
00:27:09,539 --> 00:27:08,200
completely obscured and she's got this

535
00:27:13,169 --> 00:27:09,549
white bay

536
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:13,179
and over her head you know where where

537
00:27:24,139 --> 00:27:18,480
the cow ends and there is nothing there

538
00:27:28,859 --> 00:27:24,149
so the child is riveted to the bed and

539
00:27:33,239 --> 00:27:28,869
somehow is unable to move like she was

540
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,249
going through a night terror meanwhile

541
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:36,159
the nun is approaching and the next

542
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:40,450
thing she knows is that it leaned over

543
00:27:49,229 --> 00:27:44,950
and then she saw it had an angry face

544
00:27:53,999 --> 00:27:49,239
with red eyes David he leaned over to

545
00:28:00,269 --> 00:27:54,009
her and with a fist it hit her on the

546
00:28:04,229 --> 00:28:00,279
thigh and then it moved off and the

547
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:04,239
child started screaming you know her

548
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:08,980
throat was locked 24 yeah scream and it

549
00:28:15,090 --> 00:28:11,320
is going off and the thing whatever it

550
00:28:21,629 --> 00:28:15,100
was the spectre was floating it had no

551
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:21,639
feet she's screaming she's screaming and

552
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:26,049
then finally she manages to bolt off the

553
00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:26,590
bed

554
00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:30,070
her mother is looking for her she can

555
00:28:35,549 --> 00:28:33,580
hear her now and she finally gets to her

556
00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:35,559
as the girl was trying to leave the room

557
00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:40,119
and David I am not kidding you are you

558
00:28:50,009 --> 00:28:47,019
ready for this I think she then examines

559
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:50,019
the child this is the mother to find

560
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:54,970
that there was a mark of the ring on the

561
00:29:02,129 --> 00:28:59,440
child's had some kind of symbol now

562
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,139
remember this is a nun I would imagine a

563
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:04,480
Catholic nun is votes to the Philippines

564
00:29:11,609 --> 00:29:07,830
is 99% Catholic because of the Spanish

565
00:29:15,869 --> 00:29:11,619
so when they look at it most of rings

566
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:15,879
usually have either a photo of maybe a

567
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:19,929
cross or some kind of a saint this hand

568
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:22,210
this one had something unique from what

569
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:22,990
I understand

570
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:25,390
I've seen it okay we've never gotten a

571
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:27,700
hold of the you know a photograph of

572
00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:31,240
what was on the child saw but that mark

573
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:34,840
did not disappear until years later

574
00:29:43,169 --> 00:29:38,640
after her husband committed suicide

575
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:43,179
mm-hmm sent a bit of a single applause

576
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:49,840
fine that year so you know it to this

577
00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:54,700
family whatever it was apparently done

578
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:57,940
probably you know died yeah

579
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:01,840
hey was murdered and another unquiet

580
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:05,230
soul hmm that actually sounds quite

581
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:07,150
terrifying for a child for that sort of

582
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:09,910
experience you know yeah yes yes and the

583
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:12,970
child was traumatized obviously so it

584
00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:15,160
went on from there that was the first

585
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:16,840
thing that had happened to the family

586
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:20,470
that was interesting and unusual so to

587
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:22,809
say the least so they obviously looked

588
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:24,910
into the history of the area where they

589
00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:27,550
were living I don't think they did

590
00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:29,080
because this is what happened David the

591
00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:32,020
next morning because as you know they're

592
00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:35,080
in the midst of a war she wanted to move

593
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:40,420
on before someone saw them again so they

594
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:43,450
were in hiding for a while until finally

595
00:30:49,049 --> 00:30:47,050
whatever was happening was slowly and I

596
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:49,059
don't know how Wars go I know this one

597
00:30:55,049 --> 00:30:52,510
went from like I believed 1939 and

598
00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:55,059
didn't end until 1945 just like all the

599
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,270
other stuff happened so it it gets

600
00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:00,640
calmer then it goes you know go crazy

601
00:31:04,790 --> 00:31:01,300
again

602
00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:04,800
they finally reunited with the father

603
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:09,990
okay and now we get to Liberation Day

604
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:13,320
and everyone everyone in the family has

605
00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:17,530
survived except for the mother the

606
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,480
mother of the child a younger brother

607
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:22,720
had been shot by the Japanese so now

608
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:25,390
they move into a suburban area totally

609
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:28,570
brand-new and you know after war has

610
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:31,390
happened you know the aftermath is they

611
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:33,490
clean up wherever they can clean up they

612
00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:35,710
rebuild you see that in Syria right now

613
00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:36,920
in certain parts

614
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:39,080
they build new buildings they build

615
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:42,860
homes and then they they go on as best

616
00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:45,650
they can with their lives and that's

617
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:48,920
when the next thing happens with this

618
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:54,080
family and the woman who is now in her

619
00:32:01,900 --> 00:31:57,110
early 20s okay she has gone through

620
00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:01,910
college University she marries the

621
00:32:08,650 --> 00:32:05,080
gentleman she marries for some reason

622
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:08,660
okay is being oppressed by something

623
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:12,590
that he claims he sees through the

624
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:17,450
window he has gotten so bad that when

625
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:20,210
they decide to move on their own into

626
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:23,270
this town house and this is only about

627
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:26,390
maybe three miles away from her mother's

628
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:31,090
house that he now sees this creature

629
00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:35,210
through his window almost on a nightly

630
00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:41,240
basis would you like to know what he's

631
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:48,500
saying oh yes so here we are this is

632
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:51,050
once again a little neighborhood it's

633
00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:53,330
what you would call a hamlet because

634
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:55,280
it's really you know there's not many

635
00:32:59,770 --> 00:32:57,770
shops there during the time that this is

636
00:33:02,020 --> 00:32:59,780
in the 60s it's probably busy and crazy

637
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:02,030
right now but during the 60s it's pretty

638
00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:03,610
much a hamlet it's a new neighborhood

639
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:06,830
you can walk from the woman's mother's

640
00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:09,410
house to this place

641
00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:16,040
and the society at the time people were

642
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:18,680
used to having full-time servants in

643
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:22,880
their home so he didn't have to be you

644
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:25,270
know john paul Getty or you know

645
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:27,650
Microsoft in order to have live-in

646
00:33:32,770 --> 00:33:30,110
servants mmm at the time life was pretty

647
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,780
easy after the war which is really a

648
00:33:36,970 --> 00:33:35,000
surprise considering you know what we

649
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:36,980
all go through and you know what

650
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:39,050
happened in Europe hmm

651
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:42,650
life was calmer it was easier so the

652
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:45,980
woman hired a live-in maid to help with

653
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:49,130
her daily chores the young man she

654
00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:50,730
married who was also in his

655
00:33:57,530 --> 00:33:55,350
20s wanted to write for a living so he

656
00:34:00,580 --> 00:33:57,540
stayed home and pretty much had his own

657
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,590
office it was a three bedroom a

658
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:01,919
townhouse

659
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,890
two floors you've got the ground floor

660
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:07,440
and then you have the first floor on the

661
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,090
first floor you've got three bedrooms

662
00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:11,280
there's a bathroom across in the hallway

663
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:12,869
you got your stairs and then you're

664
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,250
gonna turn the stairs underneath the

665
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:17,040
stairs the live-in servant lived she had

666
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:19,770
a room of her own and then there was a

667
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:22,649
kitchen and in the living room across

668
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:26,429
from the apartment in the back okay of

669
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,520
the townhouse there is a creek and then

670
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:35,040
there are trees you know huge trees that

671
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:37,800
kind of hover over the creek one of

672
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:40,609
those trees was only a few yards away

673
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:44,460
from the window of this young man you

674
00:34:51,859 --> 00:34:48,320
know his name is Ernest where he writes

675
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:51,869
he is then with his typewriter setup and

676
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:55,919
everything overlooks the creek with his

677
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:01,859
tree for a number of months okay leading

678
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:04,980
up to what finally happened to him and

679
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:10,650
I'll keep you in suspense and he claims

680
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:17,460
to see a creature and this creature is

681
00:35:23,140 --> 00:35:19,260
towering it comes

682
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:23,150
and after veces out from this ancient

683
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:28,320
tree and approaches the window now I

684
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:29,970
don't know if you're familiar with

685
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:36,000
jealousy's sorry they're made out of

686
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:39,660
some type of iron what so windows back

687
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:42,330
then they did not have screens they just

688
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:45,210
had jealousies to kind of you know

689
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:46,619
prevent you I guess from falling through

690
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:52,920
I know you mean so anyway so they they

691
00:35:59,570 --> 00:35:56,070
had three windows which pretty much went

692
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,580
the entire perimeter of one side of the

693
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:01,619
house that faces the creek which is

694
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:03,960
beautiful but it's not men

695
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:07,619
because it's you know ornamental the

696
00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:09,750
windows that they are to afford some

697
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:13,349
kind of ventilation and on the opposite

698
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,570
end of the house you've got the same

699
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:17,880
identical setup so that because there

700
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,710
was no air conditioning per se being

701
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,660
used is you know most parts of Europe

702
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:23,520
don't have air conditioning the wind is

703
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:25,560
just expecting to go back and forth back

704
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:29,450
and forth so he by the end of the day

705
00:36:36,849 --> 00:36:33,300
this gentleman would start to see

706
00:36:40,099 --> 00:36:36,859
something coming out of the tree and

707
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:40,109
approach the window and it was

708
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:45,330
accompanied by a humming sound okay so

709
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,200
you tell me what the humming sound is I

710
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,880
think some encounters the sightings that

711
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:53,040
you get that as well but then there's

712
00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:57,330
also a sense of time stopping completely

713
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:00,390
hmm but yes another common thing you

714
00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:04,859
hear yeah yeah so he tells his wife the

715
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:06,630
young woman that you had met as a child

716
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:09,710
with the ring on her you know her thigh

717
00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:12,420
okay she does not believe him because

718
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:17,580
she has not seen it okay which was not a

719
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:21,570
good thing so the servant on the other

720
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:23,849
hand who is busy assisting with the

721
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:24,300
chores

722
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:26,790
is also in charge because now they have

723
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,750
an infant next door okay she's in charge

724
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,339
of the infant every time the infant

725
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:35,520
Christ she dashes to check on the

726
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:37,380
infants in the nurseries right next door

727
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:40,710
to D then earnest then and then after

728
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:44,190
the nursery is the master bedroom so one

729
00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:48,180
evening the child starts crying and the

730
00:37:57,550 --> 00:37:50,750
servant dashes up the stairs this time

731
00:38:01,160 --> 00:37:57,560
as she enters the nursery okay which is

732
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:01,170
one bedroom away okay they share a wall

733
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,060
- then the window connecting to that the

734
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:09,119
creature is actually leaning against the

735
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:12,900
outside of the window looking down at

736
00:38:20,830 --> 00:38:17,830
the infant so for the first

737
00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:20,840
okay this man who is now completely

738
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:23,480
depressed and oppressed you know in

739
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:25,790
progress of what might have been a

740
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:29,750
possession finally the servant sees it

741
00:38:36,849 --> 00:38:34,010
for itself she grabs the child out of

742
00:38:38,890 --> 00:38:36,859
the crib I think the child at this point

743
00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:38,900
is probably a year and a half old

744
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:42,470
she takes the child away dashes down and

745
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:46,730
tells the woman of the house what she

746
00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:50,660
has seen she is now at her limit because

747
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:51,980
there were things that were happening in

748
00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:53,750
the house before that knocking and

749
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:56,900
things and strange movements and now she

750
00:39:03,430 --> 00:38:58,970
knows why she feels like she's seeing

751
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:03,440
things at the edge of her vision as soon

752
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:07,570
as night falls in that particular place

753
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,109
so unconvinced you know the woman dashes

754
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,160
up you know and and asks nested did you

755
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:17,599
see something is there something going

756
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,760
on

757
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:21,440
he said yes the same thing that I had

758
00:39:28,359 --> 00:39:25,220
been telling you about hmm okay but as

759
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:28,369
it goes finally one day she sees it for

760
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:30,890
herself would you like to tell what she

761
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:39,770
saw of course it was about seven to nine

762
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:43,010
feet tall is what I was told

763
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:46,910
yeah whatever it was stretched through

764
00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:51,320
the entire window the window of the den

765
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:52,790
from what I'm told

766
00:40:01,089 --> 00:39:55,910
went all the way to the ceiling and was

767
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:01,099
six feet wide it surpassed with its

768
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:05,570
wingspan the breadth of the window it

769
00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:11,210
was it had the wings of a bat hmm and on

770
00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:16,460
its head was the suggestion of horns it

771
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:22,700
had the eyes of a cow and it was

772
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:26,930
completely yellow the eyes in the face

773
00:40:36,919 --> 00:40:28,569
of a goat

774
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:40,549
well it's left me a bit so speechless

775
00:40:47,099 --> 00:40:44,619
it's actually quite scary oh we don't

776
00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:47,109
know how to express myself there for

777
00:40:54,659 --> 00:40:51,160
that I mean it sounds too awful so you

778
00:40:58,319 --> 00:40:54,669
tell me David is this an alien creature

779
00:41:00,359 --> 00:40:58,329
well it's this moth man or is it a demon

780
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:00,369
oh yeah I mean if we could explain who

781
00:41:03,449 --> 00:41:02,049
what the Mothman is then we'd have our

782
00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:03,459
answer but obviously it could be

783
00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:04,989
something inside I'll make sure as we've

784
00:41:11,759 --> 00:41:08,109
been talking it could have been could be

785
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,769
an alien I mean it's a it's certainly a

786
00:41:18,479 --> 00:41:14,079
similar description I've heard before

787
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:18,489
with the Mothman or anything else of

788
00:41:24,509 --> 00:41:21,249
that type of creature I know what's your

789
00:41:28,229 --> 00:41:24,519
what's your opinion of it well my

790
00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:28,239
opinion differs from the opinion of the

791
00:41:33,539 --> 00:41:29,589
two primary witnesses

792
00:41:35,669 --> 00:41:33,549
mm-hmm their opinion is that it was

793
00:41:37,969 --> 00:41:35,679
demonic and I'll tell you why they feel

794
00:41:41,459 --> 00:41:37,979
that way hmm

795
00:41:45,449 --> 00:41:41,469
the woman you know who was the child in

796
00:41:48,179 --> 00:41:45,459
the earlier story ran to the other room

797
00:41:51,899 --> 00:41:48,189
and grabbed the cross from the war hmm

798
00:41:52,649 --> 00:41:51,909
and proceeded because she did finally

799
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:52,659
catch it

800
00:42:00,509 --> 00:41:55,569
her husband was sitting down and looking

801
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:00,519
down and she could feel the malevolence

802
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,329
in the room all the crickets now the

803
00:42:09,329 --> 00:42:07,119
windows are open you know all the

804
00:42:11,759 --> 00:42:09,339
crickets had gotten silent there were no

805
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:11,769
frogs there were no you know there were

806
00:42:19,709 --> 00:42:15,089
no nighttime no noises that you normally

807
00:42:24,029 --> 00:42:19,719
would hear if your windows were open

808
00:42:25,799 --> 00:42:24,039
then it's a tropical place okay you

809
00:42:28,469 --> 00:42:25,809
normally would hear all kinds of things

810
00:42:30,779 --> 00:42:28,479
you would even hear maybe the rushing of

811
00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:30,789
water or neighbors talking and things of

812
00:42:32,819 --> 00:42:32,380
that nature because all the windows were

813
00:42:35,249 --> 00:42:32,829
open

814
00:42:38,009 --> 00:42:35,259
there was nothing it was totally dead

815
00:42:40,109 --> 00:42:38,019
silent she took the cross came back to

816
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:40,119
the room the creature was pointedly

817
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:42,220
looking down at her husband with

818
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:46,150
such malevolence it was almost like it

819
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:49,030
wanted to devour him and and that is

820
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:51,910
what he did say he said that they wanted

821
00:42:58,830 --> 00:42:55,330
to take his soul she came up with the

822
00:43:02,310 --> 00:42:58,840
cross and courageous as she is she went

823
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:02,320
towards the window and put the cross

824
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:07,030
inches from its face and David it folded

825
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:11,880
in response to the cross the wings

826
00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:15,790
folded as if it was covering its face it

827
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:18,220
was covering its face and then it

828
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:20,190
started to effervesce

829
00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:24,880
slowly down towards the ground floor and

830
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:30,940
then it just disappeared from a

831
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:32,590
religious context you think that that

832
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,270
would be the immediate response that it

833
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:36,910
would be something demonic but do you

834
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:40,510
think it's something else I don't know

835
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:43,330
what to think David because I I don't

836
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:45,070
know what brought it about the only

837
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:50,490
theory I have is that perhaps because he

838
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:53,920
he was a type of person Ernest

839
00:43:59,550 --> 00:43:57,190
where he was very introspective hmm but

840
00:44:01,890 --> 00:43:59,560
he also was depressed but no one knows

841
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:01,900
whether he was depressed because of the

842
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:04,960
creature or he was depressed beforehand

843
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:09,880
but whatever it was it was living in the

844
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:14,740
tree hmm so I'm thinking it was actually

845
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:17,890
a portent like Mothman my interpretation

846
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:21,460
is that it's Mothman that it actually

847
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:24,700
was trying to forewarn the family what

848
00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:28,780
was going to happen yeah yes possibility

849
00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:30,940
I mean there are people that I believe

850
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:32,500
that people can actually manufacture

851
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,010
things with their minds as well yeah you

852
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:38,560
think of an alien and a you know appear

853
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:45,140
what David that's interesting that you

854
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:49,050
threw that little kernel in there

855
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:52,690
because the other alternative theory was

856
00:44:59,739 --> 00:44:56,089
that it was manufactured mentally by him

857
00:45:03,699 --> 00:44:59,749
and it's interesting because when that

858
00:45:07,029 --> 00:45:03,709
theory was offered to me a while back in

859
00:45:10,689 --> 00:45:07,039
my salad days I actually used to write

860
00:45:14,709 --> 00:45:10,699
screenplays and the very first one that

861
00:45:17,499 --> 00:45:14,719
I wrote was about this and the theory

862
00:45:20,459 --> 00:45:17,509
that I had at the time which I had

863
00:45:22,539 --> 00:45:20,469
latched onto after you know

864
00:45:28,509 --> 00:45:22,549
investigating it a little bit more was

865
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,519
that maybe it was manufactured by him I

866
00:45:32,289 --> 00:45:30,319
threw that in because I think it's I

867
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:32,299
know it can happen in certain cases so

868
00:45:42,009 --> 00:45:36,140
I'll burn off anyway expect to see a UFO

869
00:45:44,289 --> 00:45:42,019
and you'll see one I think in certain

870
00:45:45,789 --> 00:45:44,299
instances I think people have got some

871
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:45,799
sort of a mental power and they can

872
00:45:50,529 --> 00:45:47,900
actually manufacture these things for

873
00:45:54,029 --> 00:45:50,539
want of a better word to manufacture you

874
00:45:59,199 --> 00:45:54,039
know it's very interesting that though

875
00:45:59,859 --> 00:45:59,209
yeah and I tell you I when I heard this

876
00:46:04,209 --> 00:45:59,869
account

877
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:04,219
I wondered how many people had seen it

878
00:46:12,009 --> 00:46:07,640
the one person who we're talking about

879
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:12,019
is still alive today and will insist and

880
00:46:17,739 --> 00:46:15,049
tell you it was a demon because of her

881
00:46:22,809 --> 00:46:17,749
encounter and the way it reacted to her

882
00:46:27,189 --> 00:46:22,819
when she approached with a cross now the

883
00:46:29,769 --> 00:46:27,199
maid the maid quit the next day the very

884
00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:29,779
next day she could not and then they

885
00:46:37,689 --> 00:46:33,140
hired a younger girl and they instructed

886
00:46:41,289 --> 00:46:37,699
her not to leave the husband alone but

887
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:41,299
the other servant who had quit had

888
00:46:46,299 --> 00:46:43,880
actually you know word of mouth hmm

889
00:46:50,019 --> 00:46:46,309
had told people about what she had seen

890
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:50,029
and this young girl found out about it

891
00:46:56,949 --> 00:46:54,529
so she became apprehensive needless to

892
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,959
say she needed the income she needed to

893
00:47:02,579 --> 00:46:59,599
be employed on the other hand she really

894
00:47:07,929 --> 00:47:02,589
dreaded being alone hmm

895
00:47:09,110 --> 00:47:07,939
in that place doesn't surprise me no not

896
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:09,120
at all and

897
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:12,630
it goes on because what happened was you

898
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:16,050
know not to give the spoiler away they

899
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:20,970
move okay and they move back to her

900
00:47:34,850 --> 00:47:27,420
parents home and whatever it was follows

901
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:34,860
them and my understanding is that there

902
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:37,740
were other things already in this house

903
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:44,460
okay we have elves in the house we have

904
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:49,290
ghosts because of the unblessed soil on

905
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:53,850
which the house was built so we have all

906
00:48:01,300 --> 00:47:57,450
kinds of things being layered on top of

907
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:01,310
what is already happening at that house

908
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:05,310
and that's all in my book sounds

909
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:07,770
fascinating so there's all these

910
00:48:12,670 --> 00:48:08,970
different creature from different

911
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:12,680
dimensions it sounds like to me that's a

912
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:15,420
quite into the dimension well I might

913
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,980
believe so that much of these

914
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:19,440
occurrences are from different

915
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:22,620
dimensions and I think we've so many

916
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:24,450
dimensions that can interact with each

917
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:26,490
other or sometimes become visible to

918
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:29,550
each other exactly and I believe that

919
00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:32,070
too David I really believe that we you

920
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:35,100
know we are limited to five senses but

921
00:48:40,610 --> 00:48:37,980
you know there's all kinds of things and

922
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,620
you know someone had talked about that I

923
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,480
think it was Chris Evers in a previous

924
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:44,700
show that they're whispering to us that

925
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,930
they exist

926
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:48,960
you know they enter our dimension when

927
00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:51,480
they want to be known or maybe perhaps

928
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:54,840
just because they they want to intrude

929
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:56,940
upon us for benevolent or malevolent

930
00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:01,140
reasons and I think you know the ETS are

931
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:03,120
the same they come from different

932
00:49:11,570 --> 00:49:07,860
dimensions don't have bodies and some do

933
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:11,580
you know you've seen them crash but I

934
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:14,670
think that that definitely is what the

935
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:17,160
real reality is so to speak is that

936
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:18,390
there's a lot of things that are out

937
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:21,480
there that are totally strange to us and

938
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:23,010
terrifying to us because we

939
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,800
to understand them yeah I mean once upon

940
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:27,720
a time I couldn't see any connections

941
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:32,540
between ghosts and UFOs and things but

942
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:34,680
over the last few years I've actually

943
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:36,930
come to sort of realize that I think

944
00:49:41,540 --> 00:49:39,420
there's a lot of truth in that where you

945
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:41,550
think you might be seen an alien you may

946
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:42,990
be seeing a ghost or you could be city

947
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:44,430
Koston but you actually seen an alien

948
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:50,520
you know it's so yes is what we what

949
00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:54,330
we're beginning to understand though and

950
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:55,950
I think your book will probably go a

951
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:58,560
long way into helping with that as well

952
00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:02,040
from what I understand of it so far yeah

953
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,990
it it's very difficult I mean some

954
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:05,640
people are telling me well you've got a

955
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:08,250
little bit of everything here and

956
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:10,140
usually when someone writes a book

957
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:13,800
there's a certain trend with it or you

958
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,170
know I'll use the term loosely branding

959
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:18,480
hmm you know you're being branded as

960
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:21,930
someone who is a perhaps a Bigfoot

961
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:26,040
investigator or a UFO investigator or

962
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:29,070
maybe you're like dr. Leir that you know

963
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:32,270
the doctor who takes away the implants

964
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:35,550
but you don't usually have someone who

965
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:39,270
is you know sharing all different kinds

966
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:43,800
of encounters and sightings but this is

967
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,850
all a collection of things that I have

968
00:50:50,810 --> 00:50:49,440
collected through the years

969
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:50,820
could you recreate a good mood phone

970
00:50:56,570 --> 00:50:53,550
well you know who I used to yes I was I

971
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:56,580
was actually connected with MUFON I was

972
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,920
with them for a year and a half I would

973
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:00,240
have to say it was a very productive

974
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,630
year and a half it ended with me putting

975
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:05,520
together a conference here in Bucks

976
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:09,090
County where I live but I was also able

977
00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:13,680
to meet quite a number of people who who

978
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:15,600
did not want to report

979
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:19,410
hmm what they had seen and what they

980
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:22,920
have experienced and those the most

981
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:27,330
significant ones I put in the book you

982
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,510
know MUFON is a large organization and a

983
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:32,880
lot of people who come forward and put

984
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:35,970
their report in there are the courageous

985
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:36,810
ones I think

986
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:39,630
because you know it's followed up they

987
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,190
asked them for photographs they asked

988
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:42,720
them for video and things of that nature

989
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:45,990
so I did that part of that and notice

990
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:48,590
that when I met with them one-to-one

991
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,910
sometimes they will follow through but

992
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:53,760
sadly half the time they will not hmm

993
00:51:59,420 --> 00:51:56,040
yeah they're afraid that somehow their

994
00:52:02,090 --> 00:51:59,430
employer will find out friends who might

995
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:02,100
not be as open as they are will find out

996
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:05,220
they don't want the ridicule you know

997
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:07,770
they don't want someone saying oh my

998
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:10,140
goodness maybe you need to visit a

999
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:16,170
doctor yeah so the time I was with MUFON

1000
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:20,250
I was also on Star team and they put me

1001
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:22,920
on this patch which basically entails

1002
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:26,240
being at a computer and looking for

1003
00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:30,420
reports that are very very new that just

1004
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:33,150
came in and it was my test to connect

1005
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,650
with the supervisor to let them know

1006
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:37,200
what I had seen after contacting the

1007
00:52:46,030 --> 00:52:41,220
person there's a few sighting reports

1008
00:52:49,850 --> 00:52:46,040
and encounters humanoids and insectoids

1009
00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:49,860
some of them go unreported and at the

1010
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:52,040
time we were specifically instructed

1011
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:55,260
that they would actually not be sent on

1012
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,420
the ground so to speak to investigate

1013
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:00,240
unless there was some type of hint at

1014
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:03,810
technology and and I think that was

1015
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,690
because of the funding source so there

1016
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:09,000
were people that were abducted there

1017
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:11,370
were people that were hurt by their

1018
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:15,420
encounter and that one that was left

1019
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:19,440
uninvestigated and and that was one that

1020
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:21,150
I thought you know they they really

1021
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,250
needed help someone needed to reach out

1022
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:26,880
to them and try to explain to them maybe

1023
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:29,910
even put them in a support group to go

1024
00:53:36,350 --> 00:53:33,150
through the trauma of what they had

1025
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:36,360
experienced hmm and and some of the

1026
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:39,630
reports are you know once again you

1027
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,250
can't define what they are there was a

1028
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:43,440
report that came in when I was in

1029
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:46,440
Thailand visiting I was actually a part

1030
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:49,110
of a tour group and the story came

1031
00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:50,650
across my way of a cup

1032
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:53,980
that lived on a farm and they were

1033
00:53:58,170 --> 00:53:55,630
tending to the farm and they had an

1034
00:54:00,059 --> 00:53:58,180
infant son at the time and the child

1035
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:00,069
disappeared and was replaced by some

1036
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:02,049
type of a creature we have no idea what

1037
00:54:06,539 --> 00:54:04,390
it was but it was lying in the crib and

1038
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,549
it was terrifying David it I mean with

1039
00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:08,079
the passage of time I'm just telling it

1040
00:54:14,249 --> 00:54:10,630
to you as a matter of fact but it was it

1041
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:14,259
was very very terrifying they never did

1042
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:15,160
find the child

1043
00:54:24,299 --> 00:54:21,630
Wow yeah five minutes left

1044
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:24,309
talk about your book to where where we

1045
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:26,170
could get it oh no it's on Amazon isn't

1046
00:54:32,609 --> 00:54:30,130
it yes free that way it's called portal

1047
00:54:37,019 --> 00:54:32,619
a lifetime of paranormal experiences why

1048
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:37,029
Adelle for sales for rocha and I believe

1049
00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:39,670
it's readily available on Amazon now is

1050
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:40,900
it I think you'd come in what's the

1051
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:45,490
first yeah it is on Amazon UK an Amazon

1052
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:49,690
u.s. it is available either Kindle or

1053
00:54:56,220 --> 00:54:52,680
paperback whichever you prefer

1054
00:54:59,339 --> 00:54:56,230
and I'm happy to say thank you to my

1055
00:55:03,180 --> 00:54:59,349
publisher Philip mantel flying discs

1056
00:55:06,359 --> 00:55:03,190
press yeah so he encouraged me to

1057
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,369
publish this very riveting book and it's

1058
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:08,079
available yeah awesome so to be getting

1059
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:10,150
my hands on one as soon as I can thank

1060
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:16,380
you David it's been fantastic talking to

1061
00:55:25,019 --> 00:55:19,980
are you going to any conferences at all

1062
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:25,029
well actually I well I would like to go

1063
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:26,680
to a conference not so much to speak

1064
00:55:30,779 --> 00:55:28,450
about it but I'm also very curious about

1065
00:55:32,729 --> 00:55:30,789
other cases that are out there and I

1066
00:55:35,069 --> 00:55:32,739
understand that there is an outer limits

1067
00:55:40,349 --> 00:55:35,079
conference over there in Yorkshire where

1068
00:55:42,089 --> 00:55:40,359
you are so why are you slowed down and

1069
00:55:50,009 --> 00:55:42,099
I'm actually doing a conference myself

1070
00:55:51,989 --> 00:55:50,019
shows him at all yes I'm arrange a

1071
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:51,999
conference for September of FY some

1072
00:56:02,400 --> 00:55:58,920
right now I would like to think that I

1073
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:02,410
would be able to you know did David I am

1074
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:04,330
so given into these things and very

1075
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:06,370
interested in them I would love to meet

1076
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:08,590
the people you know one-to-one and and

1077
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:10,900
really hear from them what their

1078
00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:13,900
experience is like mmm and I think it's

1079
00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:15,880
very refreshing because these people are

1080
00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:18,790
very open to new experiences

1081
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:20,560
you know sometimes we're not surrounded

1082
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:22,300
by people like that and I always wanted

1083
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:24,130
to be surrounded by people like that I

1084
00:56:27,630 --> 00:56:26,530
mean I found out somewhat somewhat

1085
00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:27,640
disappointment there's quite a few

1086
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:32,380
frauds within this ufology and in the

1087
00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:37,260
paranormal itself there's money involved

1088
00:56:40,770 --> 00:56:39,430
and I'm not talking about people to

1089
00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:40,780
write books and sell books that's not

1090
00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:42,280
that's not what I'm talking about I'm

1091
00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:45,460
talking about some people just in it for

1092
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:48,940
the money really that's not where we

1093
00:56:58,050 --> 00:56:56,200
should be and this conference that I'm

1094
00:57:00,330 --> 00:56:58,060
doing it's basically just to pay

1095
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:00,340
expenses for for the conference I mean

1096
00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:01,930
I'm not even gonna fill it to full

1097
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:05,260
capacity really I'm just gonna make it

1098
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:10,500
comfortable for the audience yes yes I'm

1099
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:13,480
not charging to come for the talk but

1100
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:14,530
I've gotta pay for his fare and

1101
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:17,050
everything so it's you know exactly

1102
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:20,470
exactly that has got much press over

1103
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:21,970
here in the United States that

1104
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:25,090
Rendlesham incident absolutely yeah the

1105
00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:26,770
number of people that have witnessed it

1106
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:28,840
and you know they're soldiers that were

1107
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:31,120
there on the site I know numerous books

1108
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:32,500
have been written about it and they

1109
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:36,160
wonder what it is and I know I'm trying

1110
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:37,930
to remember who it was that told me that

1111
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:41,370
it was actually a time capsule

1112
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:45,880
it may be I think here it could be from

1113
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:47,530
the future yeah it's in Penniston sir

1114
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:49,510
theory he's got a book coming out soon

1115
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,700
as well I'm gonna try and get you on on

1116
00:57:58,530 --> 00:57:53,920
the show at some point so keep keep

1117
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,540
posted okay well David it was a pleasure

1118
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:00,400
but I have to tell you that with

1119
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:03,310
Rendlesham the idea that people are

1120
00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:04,900
coming from the future could be

1121
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:07,480
something that is a reality don't burn

1122
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:09,670
I thought dismissive hand like that you

1123
00:58:13,290 --> 00:58:11,350
know I mean we don't know what's going

1124
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:13,300
on you know that there's so many things

1125
00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:16,960
it could be you know yeah and and the

1126
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:17,980
thing that fast

1127
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:20,470
is that of all the places in the

1128
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:23,290
multiverse we are few and this is just

1129
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:26,200
my belief I can't explain it you know it

1130
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:28,329
concretely but I think we're one of the

1131
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:31,210
few that have a concept of time no one

1132
00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:33,910
else s time we explain experience life

1133
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:36,550
in the linear fashion but there are

1134
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:37,690
other beings in the world that

1135
00:58:42,569 --> 00:58:40,510
experience it spontaneously different

1136
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:42,579
times in different points so who knows

1137
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,770
what we're really dealing with well in

1138
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:46,900
real there is there's no such thing as

1139
00:58:54,359 --> 00:58:50,579
time is there it's only a measure me use

1140
00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:54,369
anyway I'm afraid of wine because it's

1141
00:58:59,250 --> 00:58:58,150
been fantastic and really I'd like to

1142
00:59:00,780 --> 00:58:59,260
get you back on again because I think

1143
00:59:02,099 --> 00:59:00,790
you've got a lot more stories to tell

1144
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,109
maybe in a couple of months I'll give

1145
00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:03,760
you a share and maybe yeah would you

1146
00:59:08,579 --> 00:59:04,599
like to come back on

1147
00:59:10,650 --> 00:59:08,589
yeah I'm sorry David if I talk too much

1148
00:59:12,450 --> 00:59:10,660
I still have stories and I do have

1149
00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:12,460
stories that are I'm compiling for the

1150
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,920
second part of this book and I haven't

1151
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:16,480
told Philip about them no now they

1152
00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:18,450
probably know that I'm completely

1153
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:22,180
another book and I've got about 28 more

1154
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,720
stories difference and an invite for

1155
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:27,280
perhaps a couple of months time and

1156
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,310
hopefully you'll come back home well

1157
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:32,339
thank you so much for the opportunity

1158
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:35,530
that's been fantastic anyone gets to say

1159
00:59:40,530 --> 00:59:37,060
goodbye ideal because I've run out of

1160
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:40,540
time yeah and I'll be putting everything

1161
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:42,910
on the site anyway from the people for

1162
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:45,790
to be interested in and it's fantastic